A Brief Inquiry Into Euthyphro In this short essay, I will outline Socrate’s argument in response to Euthyphro’s definition of Piety. In order to do this, I will first outline the argument using quotations from the next, and numbered premises. Then, I will go on to explain the argument and its conclusion in prose. To understand Socrates’ argument, it is important to outline our premises and conclusions in a standard format. I consider the beginning of the argument to be at 9e in the text, where Euthyphro makes a new statement about the nature of piety that Socrates uses as the basis and first premise for his argument to refute this claim. The argument goes as follows: Premise 1 (Provided by Euthyphro): “the pious is what all gods love, …show more content…
Thus, the first premise is that which is pious is that which is loved by all the gods. Socrates then begins to question Euthyphro, and leads him to agree that something carried and something carrying are two different concepts. He then compares this to something being loved, and establishes that something being loved is different than something loving. He then returns to his analogy of that which is carried. He and Euthyphro agree that a carried thing is such because it is being carried, not for some other reason. The general principle established here is that if something is being changed or affected, it is not being changed because it is a changed thing, but rather it is a changed thing because it is being changed. Socrates then makes sure that they agree that something that is loved is being changed or affected. Next, they establish that something is not loved because it is a loved thing, but rather it is a loved thing because it is being loved. Socrates then reaffirms that Euthyphro still defines piety as that which is loved by all the gods. Now, he has set up his contradiction. He asks Euthyphro if that which is pious is being loved because it is pious, and Euthyhphro says yes. Because Socrates had established equivalency between “that which is loved” and “piety,” there is a contradiction between premises nine and …show more content…
Socrates aims to point out the fact that Euthyphro’s definition of piety is not sufficient. To do this he utilizes his usual technique of setting Euthyphro up for failure with socratic questioning. Looking more specifically into the validity and soundness of the argument, it seems that all of the premises are relevant, and lead to the logical conclusion. Additionally all of the premises appear to be factually true. The conclusion that Socrates draws using this argument is essentially that by Euthyphro’s definition of piety, there has to be some sort of outside definition or quality that defines it, other than the gods’ love for it. Euthyphro insists that what is pious is loved by the gods because it is pious, implying that that which is pious is so regardless of the gods' love for it. This contradicts Euthyphro’s original definition in which he claims that that which is pious is that which is loved by the gods. By his own reasoning, it’s possible that that which is pious happens to also be loved by the gods, but it’s piety cannot be defined by that love
Socrates’ position towards the authorities was inconsistent in The Euthyphro and The Crito. He questioned the authority in The Euthyphro but defended and obeyed it in The Crito. In The Euthyphro, Socrates had a dialog with Euthyphro who claimed to be an expert on the subjects such as holiness, Gods, piety, justice, etc. Socrates began his philosophical debate by asking Euthyphro to define piety and impiety.
Euthyphro curates the comparison that Piety is the part of justice concerned with the well being of the gods, while the remaining part of justice concerns the well being of the men. Socrates says that Euthyphro seems to phrase that debate very well but he still needs more information. Being knowledgeable of Socrates and knowing how he is and how he works asking for "a bit of information" can be ominous
Cormac Madigan Prof. Jeffries PHL 120 02/13/23 Courthouse Conversation This paper will address the Courthouse Conversation between Euthyphro and Socrates. The objective of this talk was to determine the definition of piety so that Socrates could utilize it as a defense in his trial that was to follow. Euthyphro gave statements about the nature of piety, all of which Socrates rejected on one ground or another.
Socrates goes against this argument because Euthyphro contradicts himself and makes this discussion go back to square one. Many different definitions of piety and going back and forth. Without the defined meaning piety, we wouldn’t have the meaning of how to be pious or impious. and how to fulfills responsibility with both god and
He does as such for a few reasons. In any case, he doesn't trust that one's obligation toward a perfect being ought to be viewed as something that is partitioned and particular from his obligation toward his kindred men. In actuality, he holds that the main genuine method for rendering administration to God comprises in doing what one can to advance the good and otherworldly improvement of people. Second, Socrates respects the reason and capacity of religion as something that is unique in relation to the view communicated by Euthyphro. Rather than religion being utilized as a sort of hardware or gadget for getting what one needs, as was valid for Euthyphro's situation, Socrates trusts the basic role of genuine religion is to carry one's own life into amicability with the will of God.
Socrates dissatisfied with this definition begins to push Euthyphro to think on his argument of pious and impious rather than an example. Taken back from what Socrates has just told him that he attempts to define pious but instead proposes the possibilities of pious, not a definition. Socrates explained to Euthyphro that the correct definition would help him argue against Meletus’ charges of impiety. He attempts to answer Socrates’ question once more by stating that pious is a form of
The reading, “Euthyphro” by Plato, is a discussion between Socrates and Euthyphro, where they converse over the ideas of knowledge. In the beginning, Euthyphro has to take his own father to court. The reasoning for this is that one of his father’s slaves killed another slave, so he tied him up. While he was going to get the authorities, the captured slave died. A question that is imposed is, “What is piety or goodness?”
The conclusion of the Euthyphro dilemma is that divine command theory is false. The dilemma got its name from Euthyphro, one of Plato’s early dialogues. In Euthyphro, Socrates and the eponymous Euthyphro, a priest, discuss the essence of goodness. While the work reaches no definitive conclusions about the nature of goodness, it raises many challenges to divine command theory. In what follows, I will highlight some important and/or interesting problems raised by the Euthyphro dilemma and try to show how it refutes divine command theory.
This is a dialog between Socrates and Euthyphro. Euthyphro is at court ready to charge his father with murdering his own slave. Socrates questions the intensions behind Euthyphro’s actions. It seems impious to go against his father, but it also seems pious to go against evil and wicked actions. At first Euthyphro thinks he knows what piety is and what it means to be holy: he thinks that piety is what the gods like, and impiety is what the gods don’t like.
The discourse between Socrates and Euthyphro clearly depicts a dilemma when it comes to the question on holiness, moral goodness and the will of God. While Euthyphro is of the opinion that what is dear to the gods is holy, and what is not dear to them is unholy, (Indiana University 6) Socrates seems to be of a different opinion. This discourse occurs at a time when there is a belief in many gods in Greece, each god having different duties. The gods are also known to disagree on a number of issues. Socrates, in trying to counter Euthyphro’s idea he opines that since the gods disagree, they must have different concepts of what is ethical and what is not.
Euthyphro finds this to be correct because of the wrong and/or criminal act that is present in the set conflict involving his father with the other worker when he tied him up and left him to die; he thinks this was an unholy act and with this act in should be punished through consequence. Socrates disregarded this definition for he didn’t ask Euthyphro to give him ‘one or two pieties but the form itself that makes all pious actions pious and all Impious are impious threw one form.” (pg.4) with this quote Socrates is saying that Euthyphro said that what he is doing is of piety and that all those involved would also be termed
Euthyphro tries to explain him that he was doing the same as Zeus did to his father and therefore being pious. But Socrates argues that it is just an example and not an explanation. He tries again and says what gods like is pious and what they dislike is not. But Socrates points out the fallacy in that argument that one god might not agree with another to which he replies in his third attempt what all gods like is pious and what they all hate is impious. Here, in this example we can see that how he searches for a concrete and complete definition for being pious.
The second, Socrates asks Euthyphro, have you known what a piety is if your attitude is confident that you indict your father for a crime. (Plato (1997), p.77.). Socrates tries to look for one standard definition of piety. Let, have a look at what piety means to Euthyphro. He comes up with the several suggestions about piety: “to prosecute a wrongdoer is pious and not to prosecute is impious”; “what all the gods hate is impious, and what they all love is pious”; “where there is piety there is also justice” (Plato (1997), p.88.).
Through Socrates’ unjust persecution, the story shows that justice comes not from abiding by the rules of the majority, but by following the rules of an “absolute good”. This is emphasized in “Euthyphro” by the title character declaring that “It’s ridiculous not to see that the sole consideration should be whether the killer killed justly or not” (Plato 7) and by Socrates when he tells Crito that “anyone who undermines laws might very well be considered a corrupter of young and ignorant people” (Plato 76). By showing both Euthyphro and Socrates positively throughout the story, similar to the sympathetic portrayal of Ruth in the Book of Ruth, the Trial of Socrates makes readers align with these characters' values and thus teaches that justice is absolute. The right thing is the right thing, circumstances do not matter, and even if it is at yours or a loved one’s expense you do the right thing because that is
Socrates’s official new charge “asserts that Socrates does injustice by corrupting the young, and by not believing in the gods in whom the city believes, but in other daimonia that are novel” (24b, p. 73). By looking deeper into the dialogue of The Apology and Euthyphro, one can see how passionately Socrates strives to express to the Athenian people his innocence in teaching the youth and worshiping of the gods. Socrates maintains his innocence in teaching the youth for three reasons. Primarily, there is no proof or evidence from past examples in which Socrates has taught the youth because no one has come out and said so. Socrates brings up a valid point that his so-called ‘teachings’ haven’t changed over time and therefore if he is accused