Plato and Iris Young have different perspectives on justice. Plato argues that justice is doing one's own work for which one is best suited for, and not to meddle with other's work outside your class. Iris Young through her "The Myth of Merit" argues that a society in which equal opportunity exists is just. I reject Plato's view, and I side with Iris Young for reasons she does not explicitly mention. In the Republic, Plato gives an extensive theory of justice. Three classes exist, rulers (legislators/deliberates), auxilaries (enforcers), and producers. What God has mixed into one's own soul decides, whether it is gold, silver, or iron/bronze, decides what class one belong's in. Each one of these classes has the potential to best develop a …show more content…
Plato asserts that when these virtues work together and no meddling occurs from class to class, the city will be harmonious, united, and just (Reeve 120). Plato's theory can be visualized by Norman O. Dahls interpretation of justice, which relies on the existence of innate inequality among humans. Dahl agrees that "Plato's defense of justice falls into two parts. First he gives an account of the nature of justice. Then he argues that, given this account, a person will be better off just than unjust" (Dahl 811). The nature of justice Dahl is referring to is everyone playing their own role in society. "Justice occurs when each of these parts properly performs its own function, not interfering with the functions of the other parts" (Dahl 811). In other word's if meddling were to occur from class to class, justice would not be served. An example of meddling would be, if a citizen from the producer class were to rise up and rule the kingdom. Plato and Dahl would consider this unjust, because they would argue that the citizen from the producer class is not born with the talent, gift, wisdom, nor education to be able to be in the ruling class. It is his duty to work as a producer, farmer, …show more content…
I believe this because a good amount of positives can result in a society where equal opportunity exists. An individual can achieve greatness. One can be in poverty and become wealthy through hard work, determination, faith, and knowledge. A movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" with actor Will Smith supports my argument. In The Pursuit of Happyness "a man named Christopher Gardner (Will Smith) invested all he had in a bone scanning device. He made these devices, but they were not selling. As he tries selling them, his wife leaves him, he loses his house, his bank account, and credit cards. For a good period of time he was forced to live out in the streets with his son. However, Gardner was quite intellegient. He ended up until earning a job as a stockbroker. Unfortunately, until he was able to receive pay he had to train for half a year. Until then he had to try and to sell his devices" (2006). This was a perfect example of someone who had nothing, and eventually had a great job, becoming successful. This would not be able to happen in through Plato's eyes. I believe meddling can be very good. "The rulers and auxilaries are not able to have any private property, or any form of wealth. The producers are the only class that can own land, and have currency" (Reeve 106). The producers basically take care of the needs of the other two classes. I know if I were a producer, I would eventually get
Thrasymachus’ View of the Nature of Justice In the Republic by Plato, Thrasymachus argues that justice is what the strongest define it as in order to benefit themselves. Thrasymachus is skeptical of commonly-held views of justice because he believes that a just person receives less and is unhappier than one who is unjust. According to Thrasymachus’ view, people should act unjustly, but have the reputation of one who is just. I agree partly with Thrasymachus’ view of justice because justice is often the way he describes it as “the advantage of the stronger,” but that does not mean that is how it ought to be (338c).
Why did Plato reject democracy in The Republic? Cormac O'Herlihy 14318287 There is a strong case to be made to call Plato the greatest of all ancient Philosophers, and a stronger one still to say that The Republic was the greatest of his works. Written as a dialectic between Socrates, Plato's teacher, and a number of Socrates friends and students, The Republic deals with the question of Justice, the character of the just city/society, and the just man.
Plato's Republic is centered on one simple question: is it always better to be just than unjust? This is something that Socrates addresses both in terms of political communities and the individual person. Plato argues that being just is advantageous to the individual independent of any societal benefits that the individual may incur in virtue of being just. I feel as if Plato’s argument is problematic. There are not enough compelling reasons to make this argument.
According to Socrates there are two types of justice, the political justice and the justice of a particular man. As we know, city is bigger than a man. Socrates believes that it is easier to find justice at the political level which means in the city, thus he tries to define a just city from scrap, and will see in which stage justice enters. Also, Socrates tries to find justice in the city before finding justice in the individuals because individuals are not at all self-sufficient. We humans have similar needs such as food, clothing and shelter and in order to accomplish these goals human beings form unions, where each and every individual specializes in a field.
This paper relies on the idea that the individual, not necessarily either good or bad, over time has a tendency to be “corrupt”. Corrupt in this paper will be used in a sense that the characteristics of the corrupt individual are contrary to the desired traits as defined by the society. Ibn Khaldun wrote that the royal authority needs to not exercise too much force. Corrupt would be the appropriate title to the royal authority who acts contrary and violently in this situation. Plato created positions based on the ruling parts of the souls.
In Book 1 of the republic, by Plato, we are introduced to two central figures in the argument of justice, Socrates and Thrasymachus. Thrasymachus claims that justice is the advantage of the stronger. Socrates then asks if his understanding, that what is beneficial to the stronger is just and must be beneficial to the weaker people, to which Thrasymachus replies that no, this is not so. He explains that justice is that which obtains the advantage of the stronger.
The world is made up of different communities, all with different outlooks on how the social, economic, and education policies should be run. Plato and the Puritans each had their own ideas of how their communities would be run, using different social, economic and educational policies. Using some of their polices, I am looking at how my own ideal community would come together and be run. By piecing together different points and ideas of both the Puritans and Plato, I can look at how I want my community to function. Plato believe that in a community the social structure should put people into groups based on their function or occupation.
A just society needs to have high morals, this is consistent with Plato’s views were he argues that a society is a failure if it doesn’t have higher moral expectations. For example if people admire wealthy vs the sharing of wealth. (Julie Anna’s) observes this “Plato has what can be called an expansive theory of justice. He does not think that the matters of what just and unjust portray can be settled, in a way which will leave untouched other central moral questions in society”.
Socrates counters Glaucon’s claims and defines justice in two parts: Justice is harmony. Justice is doing one’s own job.
In Plato’s Republic, Socrates’ argues that justice cannot make people less just. In this essay, I will argue that his argument is not sound, because it depends on the questionable premise that the practice of a craft cannot produce its opposite. However, justice can sometimes make someone a worse person. Socrates claims that if you harm someone “they deteriorate in their human excellence” (p. 34).
Scientists cannot really create a full story about his life and works because the only thing that they can do is to base on Plato's writings, the writings of contemporaries or classical historians. Justice is one of the most important categories in philosophy, moral-legal and socio-political consciousness. Precisely "Justice" is the key concept of Plato's ethics. Philosopher thought that state can be divided into two states – with poor people and with
Müge Neda Altınoklu Şenay 24 Mart 2016 Dilemma of Justice Equity rather than equality? The ancient concept of justice is fundamentally different from its modern meaning. In modern times, although the institutional meaning of justice means to judge crimes or to resolve conflicts between individuals according to the laws, and although in a less institutional sense, we speak of justice in a sense of social justice that assume the fair distribution of economic wealth, power, rights and duties in society, justice in antiquity was highly different from its modern meaning and first thought as a virtue that provide harmony within the ideal state.
People have dreamt of the perfect place, a place which is free of war, conflict, unhappiness and hunger. An ideal place with political perfection and flawless society. Such a world is called – utopia. As it is stated in Cambridge University press’s provided “A Thomas More Source book” the word “utopia” was first coined in 1516 by Sir Thomas More. He created the word from the Greek ou-topos which means “no place” or “nowhere”.
In The Republic of Plato, Plato in the context of Socrates discusses what would be the ideal polis, and the ideal definition of justice. Justice is heavily discussed due in part to how influential it could be. Is it good because it just is, or is there more too it? In today’s modern world, most people are concerned about justice. When something goes wrong people lean towards vengeance and revenge.
The Republic of Plato revolves around the definition of justice and the structure of the ideal city. The structure of the ideal city and a city that is just is manifested through the need for each individual to do their own part in order to shape what ultimately composes Socrates idea of the ideal city. The story follows Socrates as he tries to define Justice while conversing amongst other members of society. At the start of Book I, Socrates juggles three different definitions of justice as he tries to slowly narrow it down to a single coherent definition.