Both Socrates and Epicurus have different but similar views on how we should view death, but come to the conclusion that we should not worry when the time comes to die. Within the next paragraphs I will compare and contrast each viewpoint.
First of all, Socrates’ views on death are that death should not be feared because nobody but the Gods know what happens to us after we die. Therefore it would not be wise for someone to fear the unknown: “...death is a blessing, for it is one of two things: either the dead are nothing and have no perception of anything, or it is, as we are told, a change and a relocating for the soul to from here to another place.” (40d) I interpret this as Socrates’ stating that he, himself, is choosing to not fear death because there is no way of anyone, alive, knowing what death is like because no living soul has experienced death first hand. Therefore no one should fear death because you will never be able to control or even know the outcome. Another philosopher named Epicurus has a couple of beliefs as to how we should view death.
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Epicurus states this because he believes that death does not involve pleasure or pain, and that the only thing that is bad for man is pain. Death, as described, by Epicurus does not mean the physical act of dying, and/or the moment in which a person would die, but instead meant death as what happens when a person is no longer living or alive.”...death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist.” (pg. 7) Therefore Epicurus’ opinion of death is sound because a person would not be alive/around to experience what we are prescribed to be as pain or pleasure. Now onto the differences between both
In contrast, great philosophers such as Socrates view death as a great achievement and the ultimate accomplishment. Death is exhausted from his job: he is weary from working to serve humans. Death is haunted by humans because we exploit his time and forcefully tie him to serve us, not realizing our actions take a toll on him. Humans are inconsiderate of Death, committing hateful acts against our own species, making him work hard to serve our prejudices. Additionally, he witnesses our acts of kindness and love, making him wonder how such great hatred and goodwill can exist
Just like the Tralfamadores, he has the knowledge that death only implies that the person is in pain in that single moment, and it does not mean the person has been in pain all the moment in there life.
While reading about Epicurus it's easy to tell he's a realist. The blunt statements made by Epicurus make him trustworthy and relatable, this also makes his ideas interesting to me. For example, on page 169 he makes an obvious quote stating, "once born make haste to pass the gates of death." His ideas were all relatively clear and understandable except for an idea proposed on page 168 where it claims, "...death is deprivation of sensation. " I personally have never viewed death from this perspective.
After being sentenced to death, he doesn’t fear from the unknown and instead thinks that death can also be a blessing from god to be away from evil on the earth. Furthermore he says that death can be like taking a trip to another place to get rid of the fake people. Also, it would be not smart to fear about life after death when you are actually alive. Socrates rather chooses to treat the death as a grace of the god and believes that a good person gets good blessings whether he or she is alive or dead. Also the reasoning at the end of the quotes shows his philosophy that an assumption cannot be always predicted correct or accurate if it is not proved in
Best to live lightly, as one can, unthinkingly.” “No one can see death, No one can see the face of death, Yet there is savage death that snaps off mankind.” Both of these quotes refer to how you don’t know when your life will end so you may as well live lightly and don’t worry about it. The first quote is from Sophocles’ Oedipus, it seems to be very clear and straightforward in saying, ”Best to live lightly”. The second quote is a little darker, but it still gives off the same message of not knowing when death will come knocking, and to me, it implies more than directly says to live life and not worry about when you’re time will come; this quote comes from The Epic of Gilgamesh.
What he is saying is that it is a waste of time to value capitalistic ideologies, for example, wealth and fame. He implies that we are so wrapped up in our unnecessary desires that it just clouds our minds with things that really aren't important. By giving into temptations one has lost the ability to have self control. Epicurus tells us that when it comes down to it we will always pick things that bring us pleasure. He says what we don't think about is that a lot of our decisions we have made in hopes of the pleasure we were looking for only caused us pain in the end.
Death, and how to confront it, has been the subject of debate throughout history. Some, like poet T’ao Ch’ien, have encouraged mankind to approach death with “as little fuss as you can (276 Ch’ien),” a perspective shared by the works The Epic of Gilgamesh and The Odyssey. In The Epic of Gilgamesh, one of man’s most ancient literary works, demigod Gilgamesh attempts to thwart his oncoming death by pursuing everlasting life. In The Odyssey, written by Homer, Odysseus, hero of the Trojan war, embarks on a voyage in which he gains insight on death. Gilgamesh and Odysseus develop fluctuating notions on their unavoidable end of life, evident in their approach to the temptation of immortality, their pursuit of a legacy, and their acceptance of the
Socrates states that a good philosopher should not fear death, but rather embrace it and look forward to it. This is also where he comes out with the four claims of the separation of the soul and the body. With this point Socrates is trying to explain to Cebes, Simmias, and the others in the room that the soul is everlasting and outlives every body that it is ever in. They agree that the soul is long lasting but does not live forever. This is the end for Socrates as him and Crito head to the bath chamber and return to say goodbye to his three sons and the women of the household.
One of the core characters, Pilate, describes how there “ain’t nothin natural about death. It’s the most unnatural thing they is” (140), a rebuttal to the common approach that death is innate and will never cease and that it comes when it pleases. Pilate states “don’t nobody have to die if they don’t want to” (140), and the people themselves should
Epictetus’s way of philosophy is one that is purely Stoic, imploring that the solution to human finitude is one where humans can live life without showing feeling or complaining about pain and hardships towards unsavory situations. Each of his rules in his handbook offers advice in which the subject simply “deals” with disappointment, or rather, doesn’t expect something out of the scopes of reason and logic, so that, figuratively, when occurrences don’t go their way, they aren’t disappointed. This is because to Epictetus, all external events in life are pre-determined by fate, so it’s already out of our hands from the beginning. With a calm dispassion, or indifference, we approach our fate and accept it. This is shown in his rules in The Handbook,
Plato’s view on death According to Plato, Socrates didn’t fear death. He stopped fearing death when God ordered him to live the life of a philosopher. “No one knows whether death may not be the greatest of all blessings for a man, yet men fear it as if they knew that it is the greatest of all evils.” He says that this is just as bad as thinking that you’re wise, when you’re actually not.
In order to understand Epicurus’ pursuit for the most valuable pleasure it is necessary to explain the notions of pleasure and desires. Pleasure is defined negatively as absence of physical
No matter which path death is, death is a gain. One will either be a peaceful sleep, or a journey to another world filled with intelligent people and knowledge. He had support to his theory, but only talked about conversing with people from the past. The apology is repetitive in the last two paragraphs because Socrates desired to talk to all these different people. He did not clarify as to why living on Earth was cruel and that death was the only answer.
“…if I disobeyed the oracle because I was afraid of death: then I should be fancying that I was wise when I was not wise. For this fear of death is indeed the pretence of wisdom, and not real wisdom, being the appearance of the unknown: since no one knows whether death, which they in their fear apprehend to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good” (Apology, 29a-29b). This potent statement not only highlights Socrates’ wisdom, it effectively makes use of his belief that he is wise because he knows nothing. By saying that he knows nothing of the afterlife, it gives him the reason to illustrate to his audience that he cannot fear what he does not know.
This quotation is significant because it represents Socrates’ ideas about death. He believes that fearing the unknown is unreasonable because we don’t know what happens after death. Socrates also believes that “being dead is one of two things” (Socrates 58); either you feel nothing at all or it is a “journey from here to another place” (Socrates 59). Fearing something we don’t now is not going to get us anywhere except limit our potential. Although, death is a frightful concept, it might also be a good thing.