The Euthyphro Problem
The Euthyphro Problem is named after a particular conversation between Socrates and Euthyphro in Plato’s dialogue “Euthyphro.” This dialogue focuses on the argument between Socrates and Euthyphro about the meaning of piety held outside the court of Athens. Euthyphro was about to prosecute his own father for murdering a slave that was himself a murderer. When Socrates questioned him about whether his actions are right, Euthyphro brings the word piety into the conversation. Socrates asks him to explain the meaning of such a word. Euthyphro first, tells him that “is what he is doing.” But, Socrates replies to him that he wants the meaning and not an example of a pious action. In response to Socrates’ questioning, Euthyphro’s defines piety as “what is dear to the gods” (7a) or
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Socrates then asks whether what is pious is pious because it is loved by the gods, or whether the gods love what is pious because it is pious. Euthyphro answers that the gods love it because it is pious. This makes piety independent of the gods’ love, and something would be pious whether or not the gods love it. Socrates objects that this cannot be right. What is dear to the gods is dear to them because it is loved by them, not loved by them because it is dear to them. If piety is what is dear to the gods, piety must be dear to them because they love it. The thought is that what the god’s value, they value because they love that thing. Socrates also, points out the differences between the Gods and what is loved by some of them is hated by another gods. Therefore, what is pious to some gods would be impious to another gods. Euthyphro suggests that “it is concerned with the care of the gods”. This requires that we learn how to please them in prayers and sacrifices. This does not bring them any benefit; it simply pleases them. But then, Socrates points out that piety once more becomes whatever pleases the gods, and what is pious is pious
Socrates’ position towards the authorities was inconsistent in The Euthyphro and The Crito. He questioned the authority in The Euthyphro but defended and obeyed it in The Crito. In The Euthyphro, Socrates had a dialog with Euthyphro who claimed to be an expert on the subjects such as holiness, Gods, piety, justice, etc. Socrates began his philosophical debate by asking Euthyphro to define piety and impiety.
Many recent texts all include different degrees of social disruption. These are made to improve society or to improve the certain individual’s society. All four texts read in class are suggesting social disruption for freedom and improvement. In the Euthyphro, we look at gods and corruption of the youth.
Cormac Madigan Prof. Jeffries PHL 120 02/13/23 Courthouse Conversation This paper will address the Courthouse Conversation between Euthyphro and Socrates. The objective of this talk was to determine the definition of piety so that Socrates could utilize it as a defense in his trial that was to follow. Euthyphro gave statements about the nature of piety, all of which Socrates rejected on one ground or another.
In Euthyphro, Plato writes about a conversation between Socrates and Euthyphro while outside the coliseum. Socrates is trying to define, “What is piety?” as it is important for Socrates to understand, since one of the charges that Meletus claims is Socrates, is impious. Euthyphro claims to be an expert in what is pious and he is going to be charging his own father with murder. Four different attempts between Euthyphro and Socrates were made to define piety.
Hailey Argueta 02 / 08 / 2018 PHIL 103 Q Deal Exegesis Paper When we talk about Socrates in Euthyphro he gives an initial argument against Euthyphro’s third definition of piety which is “what’s loved by the gods is pious, and what’s not loved by the gods is impious” (7a). Socrates believes it’s a bit skeptical that Euthyphro doesn’t know how to define piety. Euthyphro is waiting outside Athenian court waiting to charge his father with murder, while Socrates is waiting as well outside the Athenian court because he is being charge with impiety. They both start off a discussion of piety.
He does as such for a few reasons. In any case, he doesn't trust that one's obligation toward a perfect being ought to be viewed as something that is partitioned and particular from his obligation toward his kindred men. In actuality, he holds that the main genuine method for rendering administration to God comprises in doing what one can to advance the good and otherworldly improvement of people. Second, Socrates respects the reason and capacity of religion as something that is unique in relation to the view communicated by Euthyphro. Rather than religion being utilized as a sort of hardware or gadget for getting what one needs, as was valid for Euthyphro's situation, Socrates trusts the basic role of genuine religion is to carry one's own life into amicability with the will of God.
HUM2225 Dr. Hotchkiss September 30, 2016 Moral Insight Plato’s Euthyphro is based on a lesson between Socrates and Euthyphro outside of the Athenian court about the definition of pious or impious. Euthyphro was surprised to see Socrates there and even more curious to find out why he was there. Socrates explained that the court was persecuting him for impiety because Meletus was spreading rumors about him corrupting the Athenian youth. Euthyphro explains to Socrates that he was there to prosecute his father for murdering a farm worker named Dionysus.
The discourse between Socrates and Euthyphro clearly depicts a dilemma when it comes to the question on holiness, moral goodness and the will of God. While Euthyphro is of the opinion that what is dear to the gods is holy, and what is not dear to them is unholy, (Indiana University 6) Socrates seems to be of a different opinion. This discourse occurs at a time when there is a belief in many gods in Greece, each god having different duties. The gods are also known to disagree on a number of issues. Socrates, in trying to counter Euthyphro’s idea he opines that since the gods disagree, they must have different concepts of what is ethical and what is not.
Marcus Schimmelfennig – Euthyphro Essay – Philosophy 150 The argument Euthyphro and Socrates go about talking about is a murder case Euthyphro is about to be a part of. Euthyphro is prosecuting a man who is being prosecuted for murdering a murderer. It begins as such, the man murdered was caught in a murder and the second murderer tied him up and threw him in a ditch, but forgot about him so the first murderer died of hunger and the cold weather. The second murderer was Euthyphro’s very own father so, with this in mind, he is having trouble determining if he should prosecute his father to be guilty or not guilty for the action he committed was indefinitely an illegal act, but, I this time period of the case, the murderer would have been facing a death sentence in the end anyways if he would have been caught by an authority.
The gods are beings capable of bringing misfortune or greatness which is why mortals tend to perform sacrifices in honor of the gods due
In the first dialogue, Euthyphro, Socrates questions what is the true meaning of piety, to
The relationships between the Greek gods and mortals have always been complicated. The gods can be generous and supportive, but also harsh and destructive towards the humans. They claim to be all powerful beings with unlimited power and influence, but in truth, they are far more human than they are perceived. They meddle with human lives, not because they are wise, but because of their own selfish reasons. In Homer’s
The second, Socrates asks Euthyphro, have you known what a piety is if your attitude is confident that you indict your father for a crime. (Plato (1997), p.77.). Socrates tries to look for one standard definition of piety. Let, have a look at what piety means to Euthyphro. He comes up with the several suggestions about piety: “to prosecute a wrongdoer is pious and not to prosecute is impious”; “what all the gods hate is impious, and what they all love is pious”; “where there is piety there is also justice” (Plato (1997), p.88.).
This can make life difficult for humans as the gods tend to believe they are to be worshipped by all, but merely worshipping them does not give their divine aid or protection and should you scorn them you would face their wrath.
Humans are like puppets; they have the freedom of choice however their decisions are constantly interfered by the gods. The god’s are given respect due to their extreme power, as mortals know, if offended a god, one would most likely have to face severe consequences. Nonetheless, the gods are not all powerful, as they have emotions that drive them hence weakens them. In Ancient Greek society, having the gods in your favor played a critical role in peoples daily lives, as the gods would extremely influence decision, have significant power over one’s fate, and have direct involvement in the lives of humans. “Father Zeus, is there any mortal left on the wide earth who will still declare to the immortals his mind and his purpose?