He has passion for his beliefs and values, and would rather die than give them up. When presented with the idea of the jury releasing him he states “as long as I draw breath and am able, I shall not cease to practice philosophy” (Plato 32). This shows that Socrates does not believe what he has done and what he believes in is wrong; he will continue to do what he had been put on trial for if released. This is the exact opposite of what one would say to appease the jury. Socrates is on trial because some believe what he was doing was wrong, by refusing to acknowledge that he was wrong, this speech contradicts our modern day idea of an apology.
Socrates as a wise man understands that if religion forms humans’ personality and views on surrounding, then it means that there is no place for you as a human being. Thus, Socrates tries to argue with Euthyphro to find the definition of goodness and asks Euthyphro questions. Euthyphro gives several definitions of goodness such as prosecuting his own father is an act of goodness, but Socrates quickly responses to him that it is only instance but not the definition. Then, he replies to Socrates that goodness is something that is pleasant to gods. However, Socrates is not satisfied with such definition and responses to Euthyphro that many of conflicts exist among the gods and what is pleasant to one god might be unpleasant to another.
So Socrates asks him to define what is holy and what is not. Euthyphro’s first attempt to is to try and explain that charging individuals that have committed religious crimes or offenses can be an example of holiness. However, Socrates doesn’t find this to be a compelling answer and goes on to list other actions that can be considered holy. Euthyphro then tries to explain that
According to dictionary.com, Piety is defined as “reverence for God or devout fulfillment of religious obligations” (dictionary.com). There has been controversy about the exact definition of piety and how it applies. Some believe that it is more related to religion and others believe that it has more to do with morality. Piety vs impiety is the main topic of the first chapter, Euthyphro, in Plato’s The Trial and Death of Socrates. The chapter focuses on and follows the dialogue between the two philosophers as they delve into the true meaning of piety and impiety as a means to figure out how Socrates can defend himself in court.
According to the lecture, piety is a term that refers to what it means to be good or holy in the eyes of the gods. In the reading, Euthyphro gives several different definitions of the term piety. The definition that stood out to me the most was the one in which Euthyrphro says, “…what is dear to the gods is pious, what is not is impious” (Euthyphro, 8). This seems like a simple definition. However, Socrates objects this definition on the grounds that the gods disagree among themselves as to what is 'pleasing'.
At this point Socrates is already convicted and is given the option to counter his punishment. Instead of begging for his life, Socrates believes that the greatest good of man is to converse about virtue and examine both him and other. In Apology section 29d-30b, Socrates states that he will continue his service to god and he does not plan on stopping his questions. He will meet strangers and question them about their obsession with possessing as much wealth, reputation, and honor while forgoing the truly important things in life, such as wisdom and truth. In this argument, Socrates wants people to stop caring about wealth and the artificial things in life, but rather to focus on body and soul.
Euthyphro was prosecuting his father for doing something wrong which would be impiety, not holy, but Socrates states that is one example of piety however not a broader conclusive definition. Knowing when to pray and what to pray for on a specific occasion however Euthyphro stated holiness is what is loved by god’s and unholiness is what is hated by gods. Socrates continued his challenge by stating that gods do disagree about what is just and not just and some things are hated by gods and not hated by
He will not make it ‘pretty’, instead he will bluntly state how himself, and how others alike him feel. “I evince no elaborate preparation, nor grace my speech withy any high sounding exordium” (Douglass). Douglass doesn’t want his speech to be pretty, he wants it to be honest and truthful. He does not want his audience to go through his speech with a fine tooth comb to get behing the meaning of his speech. Socrates, however, wants to examine everything, “Let’s hold what we do have closer to the light so that we can see precisely the power of the are these things produce” (Phaedrus pg.
They sound so phony when they talk,” (Salinger 100). This shows how Holden is associating religion with phoniness. He doesn’t think that religion can be authentic, just related to faith. Holden wants that faith and connection, which he demonstrates by saying that he wants to pray, just a page before. However, the idea of an organized religion seems fake to Holden.
He denies the fact that it is impossible, till it is thoroughly pointed out to him that it has happened. After that, he no longer is king and is taken from his throne. His downfall was brought upon him from his excessive pride; he is so full of pride throughout the book that he continually denies that anything bad can happen to him. It is written like this in order to show that being to conceit, and believing that it horrible things can’t happen to people, will make people blind to when it does happen. When Tiresias the blind prophet come to Oedipus to bring him the prophecy, Oedipus is too prideful to see what Tiresias is trying to say.