Brains or Body? History is a large mystery only to be discovered through assumption of clues left behind from the people of the time. Greek and Roman culture are particularly interesting to scholars of today because of the deep faith embedded in their lives and actions. Plato and Longus both write of love in different settings though we now look at them on their truth value. Scholars analyze these to determine the day to day life of each civilization and how body, desire, sex, and love play into the beliefs of the people. Plato’s view on love and expressions through the symposium, vary within themselves making the truth fall on a spectrum of love. In Longus’ novel the answers to these questions are more straight forward but the writing itself …show more content…
Through his explanations of these we find his personal views heavily influence which form is “correct” and more desirable. Platonic love being the desirable of all love forms. Platonic love is conceived by play to be ascending past desire for the individual to have passion for wisdom and ideal knowledge. This is a close relationship between two individuals in which sexual desire should be nonexistent or at the least suppressed. Through platonic love, male-male relationships were the ideal as men were supposed to be wise and philosophical while women were supposed to be caretakers and, in basics, baby factories. Women were generally seen as reproductive partners to continue lineage rather than an ultimate partner. Although male-male love is specific in the writings of Plato, it is still the more desirable for intellectual sharing. Plato …show more content…
This can be seen when Daphnis and Chloe originally begin attempts to have sex, they are too innocent to understand how to do it. This provides opportunity for an older, more experienced woman to teach Daphnis. An interesting scene in itself, this furthers Daphnis’ sexual maturity while again promoting male-female relationships. In other texts women’s sexuality is supposed to be suppressed and almost feared by men. Women who express their sexuality are often seen as sinful or given into evil. In Daphnis and Chloe Lycaenion is not shamed for her actions, but she is written as a helping hand. She teaches Daphnis how to love “properly” and this is portrayed as furthering his connection to Chloe. This entire scene is showing sexual maturity to grow Daphnis and Chloe’s relationship. Another sexual scene is the attempted rape of Daphnis, which does two things. His opposition to love with another male proves his love to Chloe even though the relationship may be difficult to obtain. It also furthers the ideal of male-female relationships over male-male relationships which were previously thought to be the more
What is worth mentioning in Sophocles’ play is that he not only showed the weak side of women but also the strong ones. For example, Ismene is the traditional role of women in ancient Greek—coward, fear of men power and feeble. For Ismene, "we must remember we were born women, not meant to strive with men" (Antigone). She even chose to die with Antigone while hearing her sentence, for she was afraid that she would be alone, she could not be able to fight against Creon, this men-dominant society. In contrast, her sister Antigone presents the “women power”.
The Greek gods and goddesses are the ultimate representation how Greek culture. Since the gods and goddesses did not mention Odysseus’ lack of sexual fidelity, this shows that the values for men in Greek culture were not infringed upon. Sexual fidelity and how it is dealt with by the story’s most important characters in The Odyssey show the morals of Greek
In the Symposium, Pausanias (Greek geographer) conveys the second speech which talks about a few of the societal standards representing homoerotic relationships. The way that a companion (an older man) and his lover ( a younger man) may act towards each other is largely based on what society accepts. It is shown that the totality of this relationship is pursuer/pursued; the older man takes the initiative in the relationship and is the dominant during sexual intercourse whereas the younger man would gain in return the assistance, support and mentor ship from the older man. For example, Pausanias articulates the ethical component when he talks about the conditions under which it is adequate to satisfy a
How to Live According to Irving Singer Throughout Irving Singer acclaimed trilogy, The Nature of Love, the viewer can observe how he unveils rich insight into fundamental aspects of human relationships through literature, the complexities of our being, and the history of ideas. In his sequel, The Pursuit of Love, Singer approaches love from a distinct standpoint; he reveals his collection of extended essays where he presents psychological and philosophical theories of his own. The audience can examine how he displays love as he systematically maps the facets of religion, sexual desire, love from a parent, family member, child or friend. Irving explores the distinction between wanting to be loved and wanting to love another, which ultimately originates from the moment an individual is born.
The various ideologies of love mentioned by speakers in Plato’s Symposium portrayed the social and cultural aspect of ancient Greece. In the text, there were series of speeches given by Phaedrus, Pausanias, Eryximachus, Aristophanes, Socrates, and Agathon about the idea of love, specifically the effect and nature of Eros. Within the speakers, Agathon’s speech was exceptional in that his speech shifted the focus of the audience from effect of Eros on people, to the nature and gifts from the Eros. Despite Agathon’s exceptional remarks about Eros, Socrates challenged Agathon’s characterization of Eros through utilization of Socratic Method.
The Sirens are portrayed as manipulative, as warned by Circe to Odysseus. Scylla is shown as ugly and scary, also warned by Circe, and Calypso is shown as a sly temptress. In the present time, we still have problems with women's rights. Even though a lot has changed since the ancient times, women are still seen as a distraction and as being manipulative.
The union of both sexes is a notable metaphor in both “Symposium” and “Lysistrata”; however, the nature of the love between the sexes draws a distinction between both works. In Symposium, Aristophanes described how both sexes were so powerful when united; and when they were separated, human beings still strived to be united once more by any means. On the other hand, in Lysistrata the characters were already married and united; however, women found their true strength when they started a psychological war on their men. Even though both works drew the readers’ attention to the need for love, Symposium emphasizes the union of sexes in a way that the characters in Lysistrata will never reach; where love is not only about sex and physical attraction, but it’s also about a healthy relationship occupied with affection and caring.
Aristophanes and Sappho share parallels when speaking about the importance of erotic love. They both describe love as powerful, and speak about the influence it has on our happiness. Furthermore, Aristophanes and Sappho highlight how natural love is and that it should be sought after because of the happiness associated with being in a relationship. One could argue that Aristophanes and Sappho’s shared similar ideologies when it comes to sexuality. Sappho promotes homosexuality through her love of women, while through his speech Aristophanes identifies it as being a form of natural love.
The symposium is a book constructed on Plato’s conceptions around the passionate erotic love. To Plato and others during this time love (eros) was known as a god, with such beauty and goodness that others praise and competing for its entity. As a young boy of royalty older men would advertise themselves for a chance at love (eros). This was an opportunity to raise a boy into a man, teaching all the necessary tools needed for adulthood. Some of these roles as a partner included being sexual active.
Apuleius offers many examples of this, specifically between Fotis and Lucius and in the story of the Smith and his wife (Apuleius). One of the benefits is it offers a form of control over those who are persistently controlling them. Sexual encounters are a way for women to control men. In society, women are expected to bear
Lovers of Lust In Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare, is about two teenage children that fall in love with each other. Throughout the story, the young adults’ love is portrayed to be very powerful and intense. In many cases, love and lust can be confused with each other, and although these emotions are both similar, they are also very different. This was the case in Romeo and Juliet.
Odyssey sends a powerful message detailing the power a married man or women can have. Homer writes, "There is nothing nobler or more admirable than when two people who see eye to eye keep house as man and wife, confounding their enemies and delighting their friends." (Murray, Homer, Odyssey 6.175-185). In Amours, Ovid describes love as a forum for his poems, displaying the importance of affection. In Book I of the Elegy, Ovid is writing about touches on warmth, “Love come late will not fill your song” (Kline, Ovid, Amores 1.7:1-26).
And all the readers in all these centuries have been interpreting a dramatic idea of love not based on reality but on impulsive feelings as “The ideal Love” . Romeo’s longing for ideal love is the primary driving force behind most of his actions, that reveal themselves as impulsive and stupid. In the tragedy, Romeo and Juliet, mutual love and devotion are the main characteristics of Shakespeare’s ideal love. He also portrays the idea of lovers making sacrifices in order to be together, even if it means forsaking things that are valuable to their existence, including their lives.
Heraclitus Heraclitus is a Greek philosopher of which not much is known beyond his works. What we do know is that he lived in Ephesus, a city on the Ionian coast of Asia Minor, and that his character has largely been inferred from his writings on philosophical issues. Two philosophical theories come to mind when the name Heraclitus is mentioned: The Doctrine of Flux and the Unity of Opposites. In his espousal of these theories he managed to draw the ire of many -- even Aristotle and Plato, who believed that his hypothesis of the world was one of logical incoherence.
The first instance which supports the notion that a lapse of communication is responsible for the unsuccessful nature of heterosexual relationships is the case of Duke Orsino and Countess Olivia’s relationship. Both start the play preoccupied with their own concerns, Orsino is worried about finding love, specifically with Olivia, meanwhile she is busy mourning the death of her brother by refusing to marry anyone for seven years. However, it is Orsino’s obsession with seeking love and how he goes about pursuing Olivia that best exemplifies the problematic nature of a male and female’s relationship. Orsino opened the play by saying of love, “Give me excess of it, that, surfeiting, / The appetite may sicken and so die” (1.1.1-3), essentially saying that he so badly craves the feeling being in love gives him, that he would like in so great a quantity that it would end his life.