Policies are tools that keep the peace, the economy and that allow a country to function. The Mytilenian Debate takes place after the revolt of Mytilene, the council immediately decided in sentencing the entire male population to death and to enslave the women and children yet, “there was a sudden change of feeling…to destroy not only the guilty, but the entire population of a state. In Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War the role of policies can affect the course of war and the state. It is best seen in The Mytilenian debate where the parliament of Athens discusses if the sentence they proposed was truly right. In this debate we have two men Cleon, and Diodotus who discuss their view on the sentence and discuss the delicacy policies …show more content…
We are now introduced another point of view that differs to that of Cleon. Thucydides introduces Diodotus a man who originally opposed the notion and continues to provide the reasons as to why, “haste and anger are, to my mind, the two greatest obstacles to wise counsel-haste, that usually goes with folly, anger that is the mark of primitive and narrow minds” (p. 218). As a member of parliament Diodotus stresses the fact that as men of government it is their duty to avoid making terrible decisions and as men of government they are the representatives of the law and thus must act according to justice. Diodotus continues to discuss the matters of corruption and deception, for through this the matters of state cannot be fully addressed, “her counsellors will be afraid to speak and will be deprived of their services” (p. 218). He warns the council that although a proposition may seem appealing they must not be fooled by it for a man will do anything to be believed and even though they may not notice the deception the state will not be fooled. However, Diodotus understand that the Mytilenians should not be left unchecked, he agrees with Cleon in concern of the future but not the death sentence of the Mytilenians. For if they do impose the death penalty it would only cost the country instead, he suggest something else, “we should be looking for a method by which, empowering moderation in our punishments, we can in the future secure ourselves the full use of those cities which bring us important contributions” (p.221). He brings up the error in which led them to the revolt for by forcefully subduing a free country it lead its populace to assert its dominance, so the country at this point must care for them to avoid having the same thing happen. And if they choose to continue with the death
the Republic, Socrates argues that justice ought to be valued both for its own sake and for the sake of its consequences (358a1–3). His interlocutors Glaucon and Adeimantus have reported a number of arguments to the effect that the value of justice lies purely in the rewards and reputation that are the usual consequence of being seen to be just, and have asked Socrates to say what justice is and to show that justice is always intrinsically better than is acting contrary to justice when doing so would win you more non-moral goods. Glaucon presents these arguments as renewing Thrasymachus’ Book 1 position that justice is “another’s good” (358b–c, cf. 343c), which Thrasymachus had associated with the claim that the rulers in any constitution frame
In other words, In the event that a man is not permitted to judge himself in court, asks Madison, why would it be advisable for him to be permitted to specifically make judgments in the council? In the two cases, he is both a gathering and a supporter in the choice, and would accordingly be excessively one-sided, making it impossible to settle on just choices. At the point when individuals are permitted to create their own laws, they will have inclined selfishness to their own interest, instead of general society on a fundamental interest, and so the greater number will dominate the minority at whatever point the issue further bolstering their
The aforementioned quote leaves room for rulers, both legislative and executive, to rule justly on behalf of the public good of the community. Sherwood affirms this position saying, “It is of importance that all order of men be faithful in their several departments, for defending and promoting the public good.” Sherwood now identifies the present dangers he identifies in 1774 when he delivers his
The characteristics Schenck exhibited was a perceived threat to the government and in Socrates’ favor he believed the character of the citizens determined the character of the state as a whole. Knowing Socrates was against this type of behavior in his state, leads to the aspects of his view that what individuals see, read, and experience can have an affect on their character, thus making the argument only more credible to the court’s ruling of “clear and present danger” it would have caused in Socrates “perfect
In this paper I will argue that Socrates’s argument at 50a-b of the Crito would be not harming his fellow citizens by breaking the laws. Based on the readings from Plato’s The Five Dialogues, I will go over the reasoning of Socrates’ view on the good life. I will then discuss the three arguments Crito has for Socrates regarding his evasion of the death sentence including the selfish, the practicality, and the moral arguments. I will deliberate an objection to the argument and reply to the objections made in the paper and conclude with final thoughts. Socrates argues in the Crito that he should not escape or disobey the law because it is unethical.
Therefore, since Athens has a part to play in corrupting Socrates’s life as well as his mistaken visual of the truth, Socrates must understand that by obeying the state, he has done injustice to his soul for it will not be in true harmony. Furthermore he will be doing an injustice to the state because Plato would have established that, objectively, Athens laws are unjust and even if Socrates thinks that they are just, it is only because Socrates has been corrupted by
It seems that the fall of the Roman Republic was not a singular event that occurred instantaneously, but rather a long process that saw the increasing use of methods outside of Republican institutions to settle conflicts between members of the aristocracy over political power. Even as the Roman government transitioned form Kingdom to Republic and then to Empire, the competition between aristocratic families remained a relative constant in across the centuries. So too has the desire to mythologize the past. The romans attributed both the fall of the Kingdom of Rome and the fall of the Roman Republic to moral rot, while a more reasonable assessment might place the blame on a dissatisfied and competitive elite class and an inefficient and unresponsive governmental system that was unwilling or unable to address their concerns. In much the same way, modern observers of the Roman Republic have tended to mythologize the fall of the Republic in the service of creating a moral narrative about the unconscionable tyranny of Cesar and the righteousness of the Senate, or whatever alternative narrative is befitting of the historical moment and audience.
The better system for citizenship between Athens and Rome was the Romans system. In Rome it didn't matter what gender you are you were able to be a citizen. If you were a slave then you couldn't be a citizen no matter what. In Athens the only way you could have been a citizen would be if you are a native adult. People in Athens had a hard time becoming citizens and if they weren't they had to be slaves or work for others.
Socrates believes that justice benefits the just, but also benefits the city (other people) too. He is faced with a seemingly simple choice, escape Athens or remain in prison and be sentenced to death. Socrates’ central argument against escaping his circumstances is twofold. First, Socrates argues that “one must never do wrong.” (49b)
He uses the example of ruling a city, where a government would change the rules and laws to best suit them, and as the rules are followed by those who act justly, the just would be acting in the favour of the stronger. Socrates objects to this and claims that humans will make mistake, as that is part of being human, and may
Sophocles’ Antigone, is a classic Athenian Greek play that discusses questions about the importance of following the law when one does not agree with it, and whether divine laws or man-made laws have more importance in society. While these themes are worth exploring, another interesting aspect of the play is the cruel treatment and punishment of the title character, Antigone, by her uncle and future father-in-law Creon, the king of Thebes. Creon’s harsh punishment, a parallel to the treatment of women in Greek society, can be seen in many of the dialogues of the play. Antigone is determined to provide proper burial for dead brother, Polynices, against the orders of the king, and goes to her sister Ismene for help. However, Ismene is distraught at the idea of defying the king (104).
Throughout the 13th and 14th centuries, the judges in England created the ‘Common Law’ which was a system based on strict rules and precedents. However, this dependence on judicial precedents resulted in Common Law becoming rigid and restrictive. Hence, litigants who were unable to obtain a remedy or who found the result produced under the Common Law System harsh, petitioned to the King. Due to a large number of petitions made to the King, the duty to deal with these petitions was then transferred to the Lord Chancellor who was known as the ‘Keeper of the King’s conscience’.
The Council of Elders had a magnificent and immense power within the Sparta’s. It prepared the laws for the assembly to vote on, and it had the power to eradicate any unwanted law. Furthermore, once the laws were elected and confirmed, they served for life. The Ephors, a group of officials, decided on criminal cases with the council of elders .
The concept of the Noble Lie is presented by Plato in the Republic. In Republic, Plato is engaged in creating an ideal political community, through the noble lie. The Noble Lie, ironically, despite being a lie, is still recognized as ‘noble’ by Plato since it aims to promote social welfare and harmony amongst the citizens. Plato’s idea of the noble lie led to the division of citizens into three distinct categories, namely, the rulers, the auxiliaries and the workmen . This paper will argue that Socrates principle of the Noble Lie must be considered justifiable under circumstances in which it intends to achieve moral ends.
2.1.1 Definition of Public Policy Many theorists define “Policy” and “Public Policy” in several ways, depending on their objectives and on the direction of study and analysis. For example, Dye (2004) described Public Policy as what a government has chosen to practice or not to practice. While, Anderson (1979) states that the public policy is a moving direction and is set up to solve problems. In addition, Laswell and Kaplan (Lasswell & Kaplan, 1970, p. 71) define public policy as “a project or programs of goals, values, and practices.” Easton (1960) defines "Policy" as the authoritative allocation of values for the benefit of the public as a whole.