Finally, Socrates claims that the unjust man is ignorant, weak and bad. Socrates argument is effective in the way that he does not shatter Thrasymachus’ argument without reason, he is given many examples that change his way of thinking. Thrasymachus is told to put his ‘set in stone’ ideas under different situations, and once he does, he can clearly see that he should not have been so stubborn, as soon as he does so, he can see that his arguments aren’t suited to all situations. By the end of the argument, Thrasymachus isn’t so much debating the definition of justice, as he is defining the required traits to be a ruler of
When it comes to justice, Polemarchus believes that justice is “…helping friends and harming enemies.”. Socrates questions this point of view because according to Polemarchus’ view point, only the people who are close to him and in his circle of friends would be worthy of any kind of Justice. Polemarchus is wrong in this viewpoint because if only the people that you know who are of your similar social status and you interact with on a day to day basis are considered friends, what of those that you do not know? Or what of those who are not of your social status, that you do not interact with? Socrates questions this by asking, “Do you mean by friends those who seem to be good to an individual, or those who are, even if they don't seem to be, and similar with enemies?”.
Justice in opposite points of view Plato tries to describe what justice is in reality by the different characters ' points of view in his book “The Republic”. In “The Republic” the characters, such Socrates, Thrasymachus, Glaucon, Cephalus, Adeimantus, Polemarchus give their opinion about justice. The people in the Just city are divided into 3 groups: gold, silver and bronze that means ruler part, guardian part and labor part of citizens. Thrasymachus says that justice is the advantage of the stronger, but Socrates argues that justice is being honest and do own role in society. Firstly, the dialogue between Socrates and Thrasymachus starts with the question that justice is the interest of the stronger or not.
One other example to this flaw can be outlined in the following scenario; I am holding a set of keys and my friend who is the owner of them is impaired, my friend is persistent in getting his keys back; according to Cepalus my only concern is to return the keys to the rightful owner, but by doing so I will enable them to drive under the influence and possible cause an accident because of it. Cephalus states that my responsibility is to return what does not belong to me and nothing more, yet if by doing this my friend ends up hurting or killing an innocent driver then wouldn’t this be a unjust act? Then it is transparent that it is not always right to return your debts. Due to the Religious aspect of Cephalus’ reasoning it is likely that he does not differentiate between legality and justice because he believes it to be one, if all law rests on the weight of authority then Cephalus does not see a difference in law and justice because the gods have authority of
Since Meletus is not able to provide concrete evidence of what improves the young citizens, he says that Meletus is not concerned with the welfare of the youth and therefore concludes that Meletus is unmindful of the youth. Meletus has shown that he doesn’t understand corruption by claiming that everyone, but Socrates improves the young crowd. However, the statement is exactly contrary to the current scenario as only those
Justice Within Oedipus the King Justice is a highly well known term that our society says to be an act of a fairground of the process of equality. In the range of the Oedipus the King, justice as well as injustice, is widely presented throughout several characters and actions of the people. Ultimately, Oedipus himself had given a clear understanding of justice in the midst of his life, which furthermore provides several obstacles that then leads to a moral overview of the following acts that each of the characters possessed. Although Oedipus was given a sense of disadvantages, he was still able to give a reality of objectivity and honesty to himself and his own well-being. Oedipus defines justice by his final and truthful pain.
One of the potentially faulty arguments Socrates uses to ponder Thrasymachus’ definition of justice involves considering injustice within a single person. In other words, this means thinking about conflict within an individual’s “soul”. In his treatment of Thrasymachus’ position that
Considering how the Piraeus, Athens’ port area, contains individuals hailing from various locations, it would that such a place would be where Socrates encounters different definitions of justice. In Book One of Plato’s The Republic, Socrates challenges Cephalus’ belief that justice is simply being honest and paying back the dues that one owes to the gods and to his fellow men. By providing examples of where it would be unjust to repay one’s debts, Socrates refutes Cephalus’ definition of justice. In these scenarios, paying back those debts would pose a risk of harm to innocent people, which would be unjust since justice does not involve harming others. Since Cephalus is a religious patriarch, his idea of justice results from his fear of what
According to their teachings, the only thing that can contribute to our happiness is virtue and the only thing that can contribute to our unhappiness is vice. “Marcus says, for example, that if we believe that pleasure is good and pain evil, then we will be resentful of the pleasures enjoyed by the vicious and the pains suffered by the virtuous. And if we are resentful of what happens, we will be finding fault with Nature and will be impious (ix.1.3)” (Kamtekar). Epictetus was the most well-known Stoic during the time of Marcus Aurelius. “If Marcus felt
But i also agree that Brutus and Ceasar are really different in a way, they have a lot of diffrences. One of the bigger diffrences is “Selfish” i believe that this charactreristic really seperates these two. Brutus is not selfish, brutus states that “I will be willing to die if it is for rome” This proves that Brutus is not selfish. Ceasar is selfish, these are one of many qoutes that prove ceasar is selfish “he rejected the crown thrice and looks sad” this proves that ceasar was sad that he rejceted the crown just to make him look better. My last point proves why he is selfish.