In this paper, I am going to present the three dialogues of Socrates with the three characters- Cephalus, Polymarchus, and Thrasymachus- of The Republic book one by Plato and show that of all the three unfavorable characters Polymarchus is the best interlocutor.
Arguments of Cephalus and Thrasymachus: The book one of The Republic commences with a discussion on Cephalus’s wealth. It is difficult to judge his argument from such a limited point as it doesn’t imply that he is a bad arguer. He often mentions the difficulties that old age brings and the tyranny of sexual appetite. According to Cephalus, a person with calm and happy nature will hardly feel the pressure and difficulties of age. No doubt that wealth is an indispensable factor, this
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He seems basically wise in practical affairs, mouthing quotes of different poets, and appreciating their meaning, thus, representing the old traditional school of morality. The character of Cephalus is so apparent in our modern life; there are many old traditional people afraid of the feeling of punishment, which pushes them to go to praying and sacrifices. He is as well a weak character; his weakness is hidden behind his wealth; however, in many cases his vulnerability appears when he freezes for a criticism, excuses himself because he had to attend to the sacrifices and leaves the argument. On the other hand, the son and heir of Cephalus, Polymarchus, has the freakiness and eagerness of youth. Like his father, he is limited in his point of view, since he quotes Simonides as his father had quoted Pindar. However, his definition and path of argument change as soon as he stops answering to Socrates’s questions. He is wise, friendly and good in making affairs. He represents the modern school of morality where the definition of justice is related to the concept of friendship. He resembles the businessman, who has good skills in contracts and aim to establish tight friendship using their wide arena of thought, but at the same time he’s stuck to some traditional beliefs and values, yet he is open to arguments and criticism. In contrast, …show more content…
This definition seems to be so specific, that is, one cannot always return the owned thing; for instance, you ought not to return the weapon of a madman, because he will most probably use to harm others. I believe that Cephalus is not one of those who have nothing to say, because their whole mind has been absorbed in making money. His definition of justice is all about what is just around himself, he can justify himself as a righteous man. The only reason people listen to his weak argument is because of the respect that his old age brought. Polymarchus’s definition of justice, in fact, is more general than Cephalus's. Unpacking what Simonides means he goes by saying: “Friends owe it to their friends to do well by them, and never harm them, and enemies are owed harm.” Here a basic aspect: I am a human being and I often make mistakes, it is too basic that I may consider an enemy as a friend and do just to him or the other way around considering a friend an enemy and do the unjust. So, what is a friend? When Socrates asks him: “is justice an art or craft? “ Polymarchus takes justice as an art for a moment and asks for the special domain of justice in helping friends and hurting enemies. He eventually withdraws from the idea as he sees if justice is an art then it has no use (334c). So the concept turns to
With the Apology, and the Crito, Socrates comes to delve into his many teachings and finds himself put to death with the words of wisdom that have been passed down generation after generation. Socrates for many in this present day is a man of many words and great teachings, but anyone but Socrates thought differently, in Athens people thought of him as an annoyance rather than an integral part of society. As Socrates stood in front of the counsel of judges, he stood for what he thought was right and never changed opinion of himself or of his words. That’s why Socrates is still talked about in classrooms everywhere today.
In this paper I will argue that Socrates’s argument at 50a-b of the Crito would be not harming his fellow citizens by breaking the laws. Based on the readings from Plato’s The Five Dialogues, I will go over the reasoning of Socrates’ view on the good life. I will then discuss the three arguments Crito has for Socrates regarding his evasion of the death sentence including the selfish, the practicality, and the moral arguments. I will deliberate an objection to the argument and reply to the objections made in the paper and conclude with final thoughts. Socrates argues in the Crito that he should not escape or disobey the law because it is unethical.
In Plato's Gorgias, it is apparent that Socrates has no desire to be a good statesman as it is defined in the eyes of the Athenians. His calculation is that Athenian rhetoricians place no reliance on facts or truth, nor are these their aim. Instead, they rely on the illusion of knowledge, and this morally weakens both themselves and their audiences. It is clear however, that if he wishes, Socrates is able to match most or all of the other statesmen in Athens, as is clearly indicated by his very eloquent speech which ends the dialogue. Additionally, under his own definition of a good statesman, it is evident that Socrates is more than qualified.
In conclusion, it is shown that the ethics of Socrates and Plato can be understood by examining the works of the Crito, Meno and Phaedo. Plato 's philosophical concept in these three dialogues is mostly about denying what the self wants, either normal things like food and earthly desires or trying to gain knowledge, and instead, choosing what is just and right. This is Plato’s concept of a good life. From this quest for knowledge, virtue is obtained, and this is the main goal of philosophy in Socrates ' mind. Laws must be made in accordance with wisdom by those who practice philosophy, and must seek to benefit the city as a whole.
Socrates should remain in prison after evaluating Critos arguments although Socrates’s were stronger. I’ll begin with Crito’s argument and what makes them strong, and what doesn’t. Next, I’ll focus on Socrates arguments and what makes them good and what makes them weak, mainly his focus that living with a bad soul isn’t worth living when you have a bad soul. Crito gives Socrates three arguments.
Therefore, since Athens has a part to play in corrupting Socrates’s life as well as his mistaken visual of the truth, Socrates must understand that by obeying the state, he has done injustice to his soul for it will not be in true harmony. Furthermore he will be doing an injustice to the state because Plato would have established that, objectively, Athens laws are unjust and even if Socrates thinks that they are just, it is only because Socrates has been corrupted by
Socrates in his dialogue was pushing further with the idea that it is worse to do injustice than to suffer injustice, a clime which was objected by Polus. For Polus says that many people who do injustice are happy, but Socrates insists otherwise. Socrates focuses on Eudaimonia, which means happiness, as the main objective to reach. Thus the people who do injustice like kings and tyrants are unhappy. Socrates then asks Polus which is more shameful doing injustice or suffering it, and Polus replies that doing injustice is more shameful.
It is challenging to lead a private life while truly fighting for justice. A man can fight for justice through examining the greatest issues in human nature that Socrates found essential to the private life. However, this knowledge can have the biggest effect when brought into the public life such as through teachings. These two things can then combine to reflect how the state should be changed. Socrates sometimes crossed this line himself, even if unknowingly.
When it comes to justice, Polemarchus believes that justice is “…helping friends and harming enemies.”. Socrates questions this point of view because according to Polemarchus’ view point, only the people who are close to him and in his circle of friends would be worthy of any kind of Justice. Polemarchus is wrong in this viewpoint because if only the people that you know who are of your similar social status and you interact with on a day to day basis are considered friends, what of those that you do not know? Or what of those who are not of your social status, that you do not interact with? Socrates questions this by asking, “Do you mean by friends those who seem to be good to an individual, or those who are, even if they don't seem to be, and similar with enemies?”.
In order to establish my thesis, I will start by stating and explaining the argument that Socrates presents, I will
In the Apology Socrates defends himself against the charges brought against him by his prosecutor Meletus in two ways. In the first way Socrates describes his method and
Socrates bases this view of justice on the worth of living a good life. “And is life worth living for us with that part of us corrupted by unjust actions” (47e) If we corrupt our soul with injustice, our life would not be worth living, therefore one must never commit an injustice. “When one has come to an agreement that is just with someone, one should fulfill it.”(49e) It is this agreement with the Laws that Socrates would be violating, if he were to
Finally, Socrates claims that the unjust man is ignorant, weak and bad. Socrates argument is effective in the way that he does not shatter Thrasymachus’ argument without reason, he is given many examples that change his way of thinking. Thrasymachus is told to put his ‘set in stone’ ideas under different situations, and once he does, he can clearly see that he should not have been so stubborn, as soon as he does so, he can see that his arguments aren’t suited to all situations. By the end of the argument, Thrasymachus isn’t so much debating the definition of justice, as he is defining the required traits to be a ruler of
Even though Socrates claims to be innocent of the charges brought against him, he is ultimately sentenced to death. After he hears the jury's decision, Socrates is sent to jail to await his execution. Crito arrives before Socrates is scheduled for execution and offers him a chance to escape. Crito believes the jury's decision was unjust. In Crito's eyes, Socrates is innocent and therefore has the right to escape. However, even though Crito believes Socrates has the right to escape, Socrates disagrees with him.
To prove this, Socrates describes how “everyone would surely say that if a man takes weapons from a friend when the latter is of sound mind, and the friend demands them back when he is mad, one shouldn’t give back such things, and the man who gave them back would not be just” (331c). Even though the man who gave back the weapons did it to repay his debt, it would be unjust since the weapons could be used to harm other people, leaving the man with the guilt of knowing that any casualties were the consequences of their actions. Additionally, if someone was to follow Cephalus’ definition of justice and be completely honest with his friend who was of an unsound mind, it might result in the friend lashing out. Because the friend is not completely rational at that current moment in time, they would not completely understand the logical truth.