However, we can find in his next objections aspects that may be controversial. Socrates begins saying that whether a just man would act to overcome another just man. Both had the same opinion that just man may consider it right to overcome an unjust man. Proceeding, what the unjust man will do is overcome and benefit from everyone and anyone. In this situation, Socrates would relate the unjust/just men with the craftsmen.
He becomes broken and is beside himself. While at first this seems like an insult to Socrates, it is actually Alcibiades expression of love. To Alcibiades love is a maddening experience born out of the affect of someone transporting one outside themselves, such as what happens when Alcibiades hears Socrates’ words. Since Socrates never feels the true affects of alcohol he is never able to take apart in Alcibiades’ idea of love. Alcibiades believes in a true and total devotion of self to the object of ones love.
I have confidence in Socrates’ innocence, In spite of the charges brought with him by the court are rather not kidding to Athenians. Socrates’ guard against those charge that he doesn’t trust in Gods is fair What's more addition. He concedes that he doesn't trust in those Gods of the city, Anyhow he will be guided by a portion sort higher being, alternately spirits. He states, “I live in incredible neediness due to my administration with God” (23c). I totally agrarian with Socrates’ contention that the case viewing as much secularism may be false on he puts stock clinched alongside higher profound creatures.
These two morals are very closely connected with the simple fact that being loyal to somebody may result in kindness and being kind to somebody may result to loyalty from them. Eumaeus possess both of these Greek values, therefore he is referred to as the “ideal poor person.” He didn’t have a lot of riches but when he saw a beggar he immediately took him in and told him how eagerly he’s waiting for the return of his great king. Eumaeus gained Odysseus trust and loyalty by remaining faithful and kind to him. On the contrary, the rude suitors who were pestering Penelope in the idea of Odysseus being dead were killed for their insolence. These morals were important to the Greeks because they believed that by upsetting each other they upset the gods which they would get punished for.
However, Socrates’ goal was not to gather evidence to make it seem as if he was putting all his efforts in saving his life. His goal was to make the court understand his beliefs prove which type of knowledge is worth knowing. When talking about the wise man he examined, Socrates said, “Neither of us actually knows what Beauty and Goodness are, but he thinks he knows, even though he doesn’t; whereas I neither know nor think I know.” This shows that Socrates proved he was more wise than the titled wise man because instead of faking the knowledge, that wasn’t too important, he accepted that he did not know which would result in him then seeking for
His hubris prevents him from taking sound advice from his good friends. For instance, anytime he would try to speak to Teiresias, his best friend who was blind and also an oracle, he would dismiss his advice and mock him. “A DIRECT QUOTE ABOUT OEDIPUS DISMISSING TEIRESIAS” Oedipus, blindly relying on his own wisdom, would mock him saying that Teiresias couldn’t see a thing, couldn’t see the future. It is obvious to the reader however, that Teiresias could see better than Oedipus
This is why Socrates felt that it was his duty to remind the leaders of Athens of the importance of their humility. He chose to seek wisdom within himself
In the Symposium, Alcibiades asserts that Socrates is the only man who has made him feel shame. Alcibiades’ shame seems to indicate that he has reflected on his actions and has learned something from Socrates. However, I believe that he is not ascending towards the beautiful nor has he learn anything from Socrates as his desire takes precedent over love for Beauty. This essay will first analyze the role of shame as self-awareness in the Ladder of Love. Next, through two accounts recalled by Alcibiades in the Symposium, it will highlight the importance of shame in the Ladder of Love.
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” The words of the great philosopher, Plato. In today’s society this seems to hold true. Society focuses more on the sake of saying something simply for the act of saying it not because they have something to say. In most accounts, today’s society consists of fools. This is not singular in today’s society, but shared across many generations over the span of recorded human existence.
“Plato’s philosophy is an attempt to justify Socrates’ belief in the objectivity of moral virtues.” As one of Socrates’ most loyal disciples, Plato’s own philosophy was heavily influenced by Socrates’ own thoughts and teachings. Much of Plato’s philosophy is a direct extension of some of the questions Socrates posed, i.e., Socrates asked what justice is, and Plato explored this question in his own writings. It is Socrates’ code of ethics, however, that most closely corresponds with Plato’s ethics. The two philosophers believed strongly in the concept of eudaimonia, which is basic human well-being and goodness (Mastin, 2008). Much of Socrates’ ethics was built around this concept, which led to his ethical code becoming basically objective.